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I feel like it’s really just not possible for me to pass meaningful or nuanced judgment on a person I’ve never met. seems weird that we decided to build a whole government on top of that.

@clarity I've been researching a voting system that's less like that, preference aggregation. It's not judgementalness-proof, but it is at least possible for a voter to use it in a way that doesn't implicitly cast judgement over candidates they don't know very well.

It would work by taking ranking judgements over the candidates each voter knows and then piecing them together into one complete ordering graph then finding the "top" with an algo like pagerank.

@faun I am fundamentally skeptical of computational approaches to consensus, but this definitely seems like a far better alternative to what we have right now! Tho complexity cost is real for these things. An algorithm is hard to trust.

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Skeptical?

Hmm. Consensus. I mostly imagine it running in places where there isn't consensus. I wonder what sort of organisations would be able to use preference aggregation and get a controversy=0 (full consensus) result, an aggregation graph with no cycles in it at all.

We can scale pagerank pretty well. There's a Timely Dataflow Rust library for it, heh. I'm not sure how good of an approximation of the ground truth of order-recovery-with-error it is, though.

@faun I certainly wouldn't want to be a part of an organization without conflict. And I also don't want to be part of an organization whose approach to conflict is push a decision through using some sort of computation (be that simple majority rule or something more complicated). I want conflict to be an opportunity to pause, listen, and learn from each other.

@clarity I see, yeah, I get that. In a way voting systems are only for when there might be irreconcilable value differences. In smaller groups reconciliation is usually within reach.

@clarity It's slightly confusing to describe it as a computational thing because as long as the `error`/`controversy` of the result is low, it's pretty much the process you would follow by hand if you were just earnestly trying to pool information with people you trust and figure out which thing is the best thing given the things each person knows about.

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